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http://hellfest.ytmnd.com/
Why more hardcore kids aren't business owners.
http://myspace.com/hellfest
http://cmj.com/articles/display_article.php?id=4547208
http://www.sovereignbankarena.com/press/Hellfestcancelled.html
http://www.lambgoat.com/news/view.aspx?id=5328
http://board.pizza.org/?func=thread&id=62564&r=45
The Trentonian -Trenton’s Hellfest goes to nether regions
http://www.halfpast2.com/whatthehellfest.htm
http://punknews.org/
Time Travel: Last year at hellfest - ask yourself, if you are a business/venue owner: do you really want to deal with this ?
Information for Lifetime shows
http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/985248
Another lifetime show here
QUOTES "You didn't hear it from me!"
(rant from keith in hell)
"YEAH REAL SWEET ON THE HELLFEST..
IM GLAD NINE YEAR OF MY LIFE IS OVER DUE TO SOME COCKSMOKERS IN TRENTON DECIDING THAT HELLFEST SHOULDNT HAPPEN
HELLFEST IS OVER AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN
THIS IS ALL I HAD AND COULD DO
ATLEAST I CAN TAKE A SHOWER FOR THE FORST TIME IN 11 DAYS AND NOT SLEEP ON THE FLOOR OR IN A BUS..
SO MUCH FOR MAKING HELLFEST A SUCCESS
I WOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL OR SHED BLOOD TO SAVE THIS
I DID EVERYTHING I COULD FOR THE PAST 5 MONTH TO MAKE THIS THE BEST FEST EVER
AND IT GETS STOPPED BY SOME BUREAUCRATIC BULLSHIT
THIS WILL ALL COEM OUT IN THE END
AND IM NOT GONNA STOP UNTIL I GET THIS SHIT FIXED
FROM THESE FUCKERS
-KEITH IN HELL "
"Why did Hellfest file an injunction in Burlington County. Trenton is in Mercer County. Wouldn't jurisdiction be there? Is it because SBA is a county agency that the case get moved to another jurisdiction?
The following is speculation. So don't sue me Hellfest or post my personal info on your website so that your fans can contact me.
The circumstances beyond Hellfests control is that they weren't selling tickets. First it was 100 dollars for all three days. Then TBS drops of the bill and suddenly there is no headliner so Hellfest says fuck it we need to do something and offers LT again, and they say yes. Seriously you offer your biggest draw a month before the show? Then suddenly you could buy tickets for individual days. If shit was selling at 100 a pop no way do they make this move. Probably money was due and Hellfest didn't come through, whether it was for an insurance policy or not. And I think if there was a contract signed before hand specifing a certain insurance rate and then SBA asked for a different rate, then Hellfest wins the court case no matter what county it was in.
Seriously these guys show little sense. They spend money on Outspoken and mean season and 108- these bands are not going to fill an arena. Public Enemy doesn't sell out the Electric Factory. You have some bands that are legitamite draws but mostly it is from the same group of people (1000 Terror fans also like Hatebreed). Bouncing Souls and Against Me will draw other type of kids, but compared to the other bands on the bill what fan of theirs is going to spend 100 for a three day pass? In fact how many LT fans were going to do that? (Aside form #1 fan Jeff Pelly of course)
Or maybe someone did send a video of last years carnage to SBA. Like a rival promoter. If suddenly Concerts East and Electric Factory had Hatebreed and Against Me lined up for the weekend maybe I'd be suspicious. "
"Shawn owns Radiotakover and is co-promoter of Hellfest with Keith. They are in it 50/50.
Shawn owns Face The Music booking.
Face The Music books the following bands:
A Dozen Furies, A Life Once Lost, All That Remains, Arch Enemy, Armor for Sleep,As I Lay Dying, Atreyu, Caninus, Cannibal Corpse, Children of Bodom, Chimaira, Clutch, Coheed and Cambria Music Factory, Corrosion of Conformity, Cradle of Filth, Danni-zig, Dark Tranquillity
Dimmu Borgir, Civil Rights Pioneers - Eighteen Visions, Emanuel (the band not the softcore porn) Emery, Every Time I Die, Fear Before The March Of Flames, From Autumn To Ashes
From First To Last, God Forbid, GWAR, Gym Class Heroes, Hail Social, Hey Mercedes, I Can Make A Mess Like Nobody's Business, Iced Earth, In Flames, Killswitch Engage, Lacuna Coil,
Lamb of God, Madball, mewithoutYou, Murder By Death, Killed By Killing, Knifed By Blade,Opeth, Plain White T's, Silverstein, Soilwork, Sounds of the Underground, The Black Dahlia Murder, The Early November, The Snake, The Cross, The Crown, Thursday, Trivium
Unearth, Weerd Science, William Elliott Whitmore
So, the same person who is responsible for Hellfest also has it in his best interest to books his bands at the fest. Since booking agencies take something like 10% of a band's guarantee, the agent wants the band to get the most money.
So, the same person responsible for making sure Hellfest costs are low so that ticket prices can be low, so more kids can come, is also the same person who stands to make money off paying bands the most? Hmmmm.... Not only is that the sketchiest thing I have ever heard, but Keith is among the dumbest rollerbladers on earth to not question this.
Honestly, I think the best thing to come from this is that band guarantees get exposed. Booking agents get especially greedy."
"OK - so assume 3,500 tickets were sold...Where is that money. Are they seriously going to give the Paypal money back? The stuff sold through the venue will be returned, but what about the money done directly through hellfest???"
http://hellfest.ytmnd.com/
Why more hardcore kids aren't business owners.
http://myspace.com/hellfest
http://cmj.com/articles/display_article.php?id=4547208
http://www.sovereignbankarena.com/press/Hellfestcancelled.html
http://www.lambgoat.com/news/view.aspx?id=5328
http://board.pizza.org/?func=thread&id=62564&r=45
The Trentonian -Trenton’s Hellfest goes to nether regions
http://www.halfpast2.com/whatthehellfest.htm
http://punknews.org/
Time Travel: Last year at hellfest - ask yourself, if you are a business/venue owner: do you really want to deal with this ?
Information for Lifetime shows
http://www.ticketmaster.com/artist/985248
Another lifetime show here
QUOTES "You didn't hear it from me!"
(rant from keith in hell)
"YEAH REAL SWEET ON THE HELLFEST..
IM GLAD NINE YEAR OF MY LIFE IS OVER DUE TO SOME COCKSMOKERS IN TRENTON DECIDING THAT HELLFEST SHOULDNT HAPPEN
HELLFEST IS OVER AND WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN
THIS IS ALL I HAD AND COULD DO
ATLEAST I CAN TAKE A SHOWER FOR THE FORST TIME IN 11 DAYS AND NOT SLEEP ON THE FLOOR OR IN A BUS..
SO MUCH FOR MAKING HELLFEST A SUCCESS
I WOULD HAVE GONE TO JAIL OR SHED BLOOD TO SAVE THIS
I DID EVERYTHING I COULD FOR THE PAST 5 MONTH TO MAKE THIS THE BEST FEST EVER
AND IT GETS STOPPED BY SOME BUREAUCRATIC BULLSHIT
THIS WILL ALL COEM OUT IN THE END
AND IM NOT GONNA STOP UNTIL I GET THIS SHIT FIXED
FROM THESE FUCKERS
-KEITH IN HELL "
"Why did Hellfest file an injunction in Burlington County. Trenton is in Mercer County. Wouldn't jurisdiction be there? Is it because SBA is a county agency that the case get moved to another jurisdiction?
The following is speculation. So don't sue me Hellfest or post my personal info on your website so that your fans can contact me.
The circumstances beyond Hellfests control is that they weren't selling tickets. First it was 100 dollars for all three days. Then TBS drops of the bill and suddenly there is no headliner so Hellfest says fuck it we need to do something and offers LT again, and they say yes. Seriously you offer your biggest draw a month before the show? Then suddenly you could buy tickets for individual days. If shit was selling at 100 a pop no way do they make this move. Probably money was due and Hellfest didn't come through, whether it was for an insurance policy or not. And I think if there was a contract signed before hand specifing a certain insurance rate and then SBA asked for a different rate, then Hellfest wins the court case no matter what county it was in.
Seriously these guys show little sense. They spend money on Outspoken and mean season and 108- these bands are not going to fill an arena. Public Enemy doesn't sell out the Electric Factory. You have some bands that are legitamite draws but mostly it is from the same group of people (1000 Terror fans also like Hatebreed). Bouncing Souls and Against Me will draw other type of kids, but compared to the other bands on the bill what fan of theirs is going to spend 100 for a three day pass? In fact how many LT fans were going to do that? (Aside form #1 fan Jeff Pelly of course)
Or maybe someone did send a video of last years carnage to SBA. Like a rival promoter. If suddenly Concerts East and Electric Factory had Hatebreed and Against Me lined up for the weekend maybe I'd be suspicious. "
"Shawn owns Radiotakover and is co-promoter of Hellfest with Keith. They are in it 50/50.
Shawn owns Face The Music booking.
Face The Music books the following bands:
A Dozen Furies, A Life Once Lost, All That Remains, Arch Enemy, Armor for Sleep,As I Lay Dying, Atreyu, Caninus, Cannibal Corpse, Children of Bodom, Chimaira, Clutch, Coheed and Cambria Music Factory, Corrosion of Conformity, Cradle of Filth, Danni-zig, Dark Tranquillity
Dimmu Borgir, Civil Rights Pioneers - Eighteen Visions, Emanuel (the band not the softcore porn) Emery, Every Time I Die, Fear Before The March Of Flames, From Autumn To Ashes
From First To Last, God Forbid, GWAR, Gym Class Heroes, Hail Social, Hey Mercedes, I Can Make A Mess Like Nobody's Business, Iced Earth, In Flames, Killswitch Engage, Lacuna Coil,
Lamb of God, Madball, mewithoutYou, Murder By Death, Killed By Killing, Knifed By Blade,Opeth, Plain White T's, Silverstein, Soilwork, Sounds of the Underground, The Black Dahlia Murder, The Early November, The Snake, The Cross, The Crown, Thursday, Trivium
Unearth, Weerd Science, William Elliott Whitmore
So, the same person who is responsible for Hellfest also has it in his best interest to books his bands at the fest. Since booking agencies take something like 10% of a band's guarantee, the agent wants the band to get the most money.
So, the same person responsible for making sure Hellfest costs are low so that ticket prices can be low, so more kids can come, is also the same person who stands to make money off paying bands the most? Hmmmm.... Not only is that the sketchiest thing I have ever heard, but Keith is among the dumbest rollerbladers on earth to not question this.
Honestly, I think the best thing to come from this is that band guarantees get exposed. Booking agents get especially greedy."
"OK - so assume 3,500 tickets were sold...Where is that money. Are they seriously going to give the Paypal money back? The stuff sold through the venue will be returned, but what about the money done directly through hellfest???"


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According to the article in the Trentonian, Keith's company was based in Burlington County, I guess that is why they filed the lawsuit there.
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